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Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2877	Posted - 2016.10.10 06:50:10 - [1] - Quote Nero Jove wrote: All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited. Say thanks to all the highsec carebears who cried so hard year after year so that CCP removed all options and made it possible to create practically ungankable mining fleets. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2878	Posted - 2016.10.10 06:59:33 - [2] - Quote Regan Rotineque wrote: That or hire someone to grief him back, 10 toon ice mining fleet, sounds like CODE should investigate.... We are not your personal police. Also the OP has no mining permit. Maybe he should look for another Highsec elite-PvP content creator if there is even one left. Otherwise he probably has to move or abandon ice mining. Or mine ice in lowsec where you can actually shoot your competition with a reasonable amount of fire power without losing more assets than the gankee. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2886	Posted - 2016.10.10 14:10:49 - [3] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Nero Jove wrote: All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited. Say thanks to all the highsec carebears who cried so hard year after year so that CCP removed all options and made it possible to create practically ungankable mining fleets. I'm not sure suicide ganking was intended to be profitable at any point of time. And if you make ISK other way then you have no 'practically ungankable' stuff. It is even more possible in this case when people competing for resources. Then expence for ganking can be looked at as investment. I did not say anything about profitable. In fact it is extremely far from profitable if the other guy is fielding a fleet of tanked Skiffs, so far in fact that you would infest a lot more of ISK into the ganks than you would cause damage to the other guy. And that's not even taking insurances and problems with sec status into account if some miner company decides they want to do something about the multiboxer. There are also no mercs in this business, since the logistics and costs for something like this would be so high, no miner corp would pay it. So yes in theory you can gank them if you get 15-40 people together depending on system sec. In practice, not so much. This is a problem the Highsec carebears created themselves by crying for more security. OP, if you are really interested in staying and want them removed contact me via evemail. But this will be expensive. There is no one else who is able to help you, so we kinda dictate the price. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2886	Posted - 2016.10.10 14:31:34 - [4] - Quote Escore wrote: So if like me you have spent your entire life in EVE just doing the industry thing... where is the best place to go to get PVP'd up so to speak, Or do I would I just gank fit a load of frigates up and go see what happen. Lets be honest frigates and there fittings are mostly free for me as I can make and fit them myself.. but when it comes to actually fighting other players with them I would be a complete virgin. Ok, so here is an example of what you can do: join faction warfare and get some frigate you like. Then check the killboards and ask in corp chat for some example fitting. Fit it the way you think it makes sense, insure it and go out there until it dies. After it died you analyse what went wrong. You adjust the fitting, read up on stuff you did not understand and then you go out there again. Also very important, try to contact your killer, say gf and ask them what you did wrong. They will most likely help you improve a lot faster than you would on your own and even provide their favoured fits. Also this is a good way to find a nice corp, because people out there are looking for this kind of player and not for some crybabies who curses them for blowing up their pixle spaceships :-) the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2893	Posted - 2016.10.11 07:19:46 - [5] - Quote Yossarian Toralen wrote: Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Surely you can gank the bumping ship, yes? No, Concord protects bumpers and that's why I can't understand the butthurt when they say stuff like "Say thanks to all the highsec carebears who cried so hard year after year so that CCP removed all options and made it possible to create practically ungankable mining fleets." Bumpers are only in highsec for a reason, Concord protection. So usually the discussion goes like this: If the ganker kills a mining ship then: - CONCORD is too weak and does not really protect the mining ship - There are no real consequences for criminal actions - Sec status is meaningless - Killrights are meaningless - Low value ships killing high value ships is not balanced - Ganking is too easy and only scrubs who would fails at realPVPGäó do it If the miner wants to kill a bumper then: - CONCORD is too strong and protecting the bumper! - Can't attack because consequences are too stronk! - My precious sec status! - They will even get a killright and I will not be able to undock a ship FOR A MONTH! - I will lose ISK if I gank the bumper because ganking ships are so expensive! - I don't even know where to start, ganking is too hard and everyone will just shoot me!! I actually thought about starting a mining operation myself recently, because if an ice system is left to itself there are fleets of miners stripping the new anomany in a hour or two, there seams to be competition around ice but only on the level of who mines more faster. Yet when I warp in with my scout, half the people dock immediately and the rest after one or two of their firends exploded. If there is a skiff fleet left you can easily get rid of them by bumping their Orca out. So I am not surprised this is actually starting to happen. I think it is a really good strategy to kill/bump your competition and get all the ice for yourself. On the other hand I find it quite ironic that miners now cry how they can do nothing about those competitive miners because they actually locked themselves out of the tools to actually fight the guy with their constant demands for more safety. So excuse me when I point at them and laugh the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2926	Posted - 2016.10.18 16:47:26 - [6] - Quote Alessienne Ellecon wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Regan Rotineque wrote: That or hire someone to grief him back, 10 toon ice mining fleet, sounds like CODE should investigate.... We are not your personal police. Also the OP has no mining permit. Maybe he should look for another Highsec elite-PvP content creator if there is even one left. Because gods forbid you lot ever do anything useful, right? You think you are doing something useful? This is a video game. You mine pixel rocks to produce pixel spaceships. If you think that is useful I recommend a serious dose of anti-matter, that usually does the trick. If it ever feels like I do something useful and not just for fun in this game I will quit and play another game to have fun again. Seriously, this is pure entertainment and not my daily chore. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2926	Posted - 2016.10.18 17:20:20 - [7] - Quote Arcelian wrote: What? Why? I read the entirety of the November release updates, didn't see anything that would cause a mining fleet to be "invulnerable" unless I missed something important. Yes, you missed the words 'nearly' and 'all but the most dedicated' the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2928	Posted - 2016.10.18 21:35:10 - [8] - Quote Jenna Kyriel wrote: Are you COMPLAINING that EHP's are TO HIGH? Silly, what are you, a CAREBEAR? Adapt and overcome, it's a numbers-game, one your little alliance of null-alt gankers should figure out right away and deal with. Unless ofc you would rather go to the forums and whine to people that high-sec dwellers have made is TO HARD for you to suicide-gank them on a regular basis. If that's the case, I don't think you will be getting much sympathy, being some nameless alt in CODE after all. Calm down miner. I never said I could not gank miners. Check my killboard, I obviously adapted. I just pointed out that the OP can not gank the bumper because all the whining locked him and all the people who can't even adapt to the simplest change out of the mechanic. Project some more tears. The buffs to EHP have actually quite an interesting effect. If the game forces you to adapt you may as well improve and not just compensate while your at it. So today I can gank a bigger range of ships than before the last EHP buff. There are already plans in the drawer for the next time, but I am just too lazy to implement them now. I am sure the next ganking nerf is just around the corner and will do the trick. It is never too late to get a permit friend. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2928	Posted - 2016.10.18 23:22:39 - [9] - Quote Alana Packham wrote: Won't try to gank a tank even with the alts (or possible friend), so one of them spams duel requests until someone says yes. If no one does they sit there and moan about people not duelling because they have no 'honor' (can't even spell the word properly, bloody foreigners). Lol, by spaming you mean the one request I sent to some mad miner who told me to destroy "our base" but CONCORD protects us. So I challenged him and tried to get him to accept. He did not. So I wardeced them and the next day the ran 32 jumps into a starter system. Also by all means, come and gank the Orca or the looter :-) the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2931	Posted - 2016.10.19 14:24:48 - [10] - Quote pajedas wrote: Do not allow "any" weapons into so-called high security space. I am sure the mission runners would be thrilled. Another quality idea brought to you by AG. You guys are amazing. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2943	Posted - 2016.10.20 06:47:59 - [11] - Quote Mark Marconi wrote: Maybe they don't know how to tank a ship. Its not like it is part of the miners chain of tutorials in game play. Maybe how to tank the hell out of a mining barge needs to be part of the NPE. We are that part of the tutorial. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2943	Posted - 2016.10.20 07:04:10 - [12] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Just noting: you love to repeat this but lossmails of empty freghters do not help you Recently in a rant of carebear A form corp B in thread C: "Ganking was never intended to be profitable, so we should buff freighters and mining barges once again so that ganking only happens if you have a serious grudge against that person and not for profit!" Simultaneously in another thread carebear D from corp E shed some different tears: "Gankers even target empty Freighters! EMPTY!! They don't even make profit!! Ganking should only be allowed for profit, if you gank just for tears that is harassment and they should all get banned!!" I am obviously joking. We even get that in the same thread. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2946	Posted - 2016.10.20 08:09:48 - [13] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: You are only looking at one part of the picture and yet you can confidently make such a statement? Hey, it confirms his already as truth established view so a random list of somethingGäó is incredibly more convincing than a study performed by an entity who actually cares about the real results because their business depends on it. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2948	Posted - 2016.10.20 12:12:54 - [14] - Quote Mark Marconi wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: You are only looking at one part of the picture and yet you can confidently make such a statement? Hey, it confirms his already as truth established view so a random list of somethingGäó is incredibly more convincing than a study performed by an entity who actually cares about the real results because their business depends on it. While you consider it as complete fact as it justifies your existence. Even though you have no idea if it is valid or not. Not all opinions are equal. My opinion is an informed opinion based on the study CCP provided. They invested time to actually look into the data and verify their initial assumption which was that ganking harms player retention. We can assume that CCP is a credible source and has a strong motivation of getting this right because this is actually a critical information for their business and they depend on it to make the right decisions. Your opinion is a gut feeling based on nothing at all. You did not look into the data, you did not invest any time at all to verify your view or can present a credible source who did this and came to the conclusions you present here. You are the proverbial esoteric freak who thinks his weird idea of how the world works which he got from his last LSD trip is on the same level as the physicist's model which they acquired by actually investing time looking into how things work and weed out false ideas. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2950	Posted - 2016.10.20 14:23:19 - [15] - Quote Mark Marconi wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Not all opinions are equal. My opinion is an informed opinion based on the study CCP provided. They invested time to actually look into the data and verify their initial assumption which was that ganking harms player retention. We can assume that CCP is a credible source and has a strong motivation of getting this right because this is actually a critical information for their business and they depend on it to make the right decisions. Your opinion is a gut feeling based on nothing at all. You did not look into the data, you did not invest any time at all to verify your view or can present a credible source who did this and came to the conclusions you present here. You are the proverbial esoteric freak who thinks his weird idea of how the world works which he got from his last LSD trip is on the same level as the physicist's model which they acquired by actually investing time looking into how things work and weed out false ideas. Why can you assume that a company with no statistical back ground is a credible source? Let me guess you are one of these people who buy things because they are advertised as new and improved or the best around. You believe what they have said because it is what you want them to have said. Nothing more. My opinion is exactly that my opinion but I do not hold up unproven statistics as if they are the bible either. And physicist's model? physicist's models are designed to test if a theory is false, not if it is true and it is not like there have not been numerous that were just plain out wrong. God I really hope you are some pimply teenager still at school. A model in physics is a whole body of theories. Theories and whole models are wrong all the time and the scientific method is used to find the ones which are wrong, by actually looking into things and test if the predictions they make survive reality. This was the point I tried to make. CCP like you had a theory about that people quit because of the mean gankers. Other than you they actually tested this assumption and the results are in the study they presented. They falsified the carebear theory. You are wrong, we where right. It's as simple as that. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2952	Posted - 2016.10.20 14:29:53 - [16] - Quote pajedas wrote: When you named your character you announced to the world that you wanted to be part of the problem. I'm fine with that. Where I draw the line is when you try to force yourself on other people. This is a competitive multiplayer sandbox with non-consensual PvP elements. Get use to it or play one of the other MMO where you don't have to deal with such game elements. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2953	Posted - 2016.10.20 15:01:00 - [17] - Quote pajedas wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: pajedas wrote: When you named your character you announced to the world that you wanted to be part of the problem. I'm fine with that. Where I draw the line is when you try to force yourself on other people. This is a competitive multiplayer sandbox with non-consensual PvP elements. Get use to it or play one of the other MMO where you don't have to deal with such game elements. You're doing great work for Eve Online by trying to drive people away from the game. Fact: I stared this game way before you and will be here long after you've gone. You know, continuously repeating your assumption that ganking somehow harms the game will not magically make it true. Fact: if you play a game for over 10 years and still struggle with the basics that probably says something about you. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2960	Posted - 2016.10.21 04:25:40 - [18] - Quote Mark Marconi wrote: The inability to do statistics correctly, does not change the fact that people release figures as facts. The statistics they released were done by a company with no prior history in statistics, with no published documentation. Subsequently you can either have faith that they did them right or skepticism at the fact the results cannot be verified. What you do has nothing to do with scepticism but more with plain ignorance. Your assertion that they have "no prior history in statistics" is not only laughable it is just plain wrong. They have a whole department which analyses the in-game market and tries to predict the influence game changes will have. I am not sure why you are so obsessed with their statistic skills. It's not like this is some magic tool, it just basic math skills every software engineer learns. This has nothing to do with faith. We can trust CCP as they have every motivation to get this right. Their base assumption was the contrary of the result which is a strong indicator that there was no bias towards ganking. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2960	Posted - 2016.10.21 04:59:32 - [19] - Quote Mark Marconi wrote: All you have is faith and belief. You cannot show what you believe to be true, you are just trusting that it is. Science is not about proving everything every time without a doubt. It is about saying what is more likely and what is not. I tend to believe that a study conducted by people who have access to the data and a strong motivation to get it right is far more likely to be accurate than the gut feelings of a mad carebear without any data and a strong bias against gankers. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2961	Posted - 2016.10.21 05:29:11 - [20] - Quote Mark Marconi wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: I tend to believe that a study conducted by people who have access to the data and a strong motivation to get it right is far more likely to be accurate than the gut feelings of a mad carebear without any data and a strong bias against gankers. Yes it is more likely but again a probability is not a certainty and as the statistics have not been verified then they are meaningless. Nor does their study have anything to do with ganking beyond the first 15 days of a player in EvE. So in relation to ganking mining barges, Industrials, exhumers, orcas etc.. it is completely irrelevant. As I did not have any hand in the creation of this statistical product, my bias has nothing to do with the inability to verify the study that was undertaken. Nor does the study even if correct have any correlation to anything outside of the field of the study. So it is completely meaningless after the first 15 days of a players life. So my strong bias, as you put it about gankers ganking older players is in no way relevant to a study that has nothing to do with it. So you do agree that for the timeframe of the first 15 days in the life of a player the study is more likely to be accurate than your plain gut feelings which is based on no data at all and a known strong bias against gankers? the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2961	Posted - 2016.10.21 05:49:53 - [21] - Quote Mark Marconi wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: So you do agree that for the timeframe of the first 15 days in the life of a player the study is more likely to be accurate than your plain gut feelings which is based on no data at all and a known strong bias against gankers? Yes it is more likely. If you have two horses in a race and one is more likely that could be 51% to 49% are you going to bet the farm on it being more likely? As to gankers I have no feelings one way or the other as to their actions in relation to players within their first 15 days of play, if anything I lean towards the concept that new payers should be ganked more during those 15 days. Ok, well done, progress. However implying that a study conducted by people with the data and a strong motivation to get it right compared to a simple gut feeling with a strong bias is somehow like two horses with a 51/49 chance of winning is a really bad comparison. Wouldn't you aggree that the probability of CCP getting it right by actually looking at the data compared to your personal feelings is not really 51/49 and actually far more in favour of CCP's study? the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2962	Posted - 2016.10.21 06:07:54 - [22] - Quote Mark Marconi wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Mark Marconi wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: So you do agree that for the timeframe of the first 15 days in the life of a player the study is more likely to be accurate than your plain gut feelings which is based on no data at all and a known strong bias against gankers? Yes it is more likely. If you have two horses in a race and one is more likely that could be 51% to 49% are you going to bet the farm on it being more likely? As to gankers I have no feelings one way or the other as to their actions in relation to players within their first 15 days of play, if anything I lean towards the concept that new payers should be ganked more during those 15 days. Ok, well done, progress. However implying that a study conducted by people with the data and a strong motivation to get it right compared to a simple gut feeling with a strong bias is somehow like two horses with a 51/49 chance of winning is a really bad comparison. Wouldn't you aggree that the probability of CCP getting it right by actually looking at the data compared to your personal feelings is not really 51/49 and actually far more in favour of CCP's study? Actually without being able to study there methodology that is about all you can say and even that might be stretching it. But hey you seem to believe that anyone can perform a statistical study if they are determined enough. Assising the available possibilities even if they can't be proven and be verified without a doubt is called a forming an informed opinion. Relying only on personal gut feelings and disregarding every other source of information with the wrong notion that it has to be 100% certain or it has no value at all is simply blind faith and ignorance. Now that we have established that it is more likely that CCP's study is more accurate than your gut feelings, can you exlain how anyone can assert that for players outside the 15 days the result would be the complete opposite? I would say the information that only <1% cite ship loss as a reason for quiting is a strong indicatior that the figure does not certanly flip on it's head after the 15 days. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014

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